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### Q1.

ex: Th.
E. dialogue shows [[thoughts/Socrates|Socrates]] view that philosophy necessary for a good life

E. definition of piety and S’s objection for it. <span>&rArr;</span> discussion in Apology about relation between philosophy and good life

[[thoughts/Plato#Phaedo|Phaedo]]‘s philosophy for the soul

### Q2.

See [[posts/Questions about Apology|Questions about Apology]]

- Intro: Th. : Whether agree or disagree with Socrates
  - Why Socrates believe justice cannot be fought for in public life
  - Why S. is right/wrong
- Conclusion

### Symposium pp. 105-106

Diotima’s ascent, as Socrates reports it in the [_Symposium_, 210a–211d](https://classics.mit.edu/Plato/symposium.html):

1. Love of one beautiful body.
2. Recognition that the beauty in different bodies is related, leading to love of bodily beauty generally.
3. Greater concern for beauty of soul, expressed in care and conversation that help someone become better.
4. Beauty in practices and laws.
5. Beauty in branches of knowledge, widening inquiry beyond one person or practice.
6. Beauty itself, which Diotima describes as unchanging and independent of particular beautiful things.

The ascent changes what the lover understands and pursues. Its final object is the Form of Beauty.